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Lee Han Jiet

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This biography of a Malaysian YouTuber fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. The sources in the article are tabloid coverage of his engagement (excluded for notability per WP:SBST) and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS. I couldn't find any other qualifying WP:SIGCOV in my WP:BEFORE search, but given the language barrier happy to revise my opinion if SIGCOV is found. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Brad Womack

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May have been the Bachelor twice, but unsure whether that's enough to make him notable or keep the article. Also, he neither won $1 million on any other contest nor was a contestant of The Bachelorette. From what I read, he kept his profile low since his Bachelor appearances. Should be redirected to The Bachelor (American TV series) if not deleted. George Ho (talk) 18:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1977 Aviateca Convair 240 crash

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Non notable incident with zero fatalities nor injuries, along with lack of citations. Lolzer3k 18:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of accidents and incidents involving the Convair CV-240 family since the accident isn't enough notable to have its own article. @SignorPignolini Talk 19:50, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2019 New York City helicopter crash

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Non notable run of the mill incident. Singular fatality and little to no notable damage to Axa Equitable Center. Even if a final report turns out of this and a major issue is found, this would most likely wrap into a seperate article. Lolzer3k 18:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alex Michel

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Notable for only being the main character of The Bachelor (American TV series) season 1. Rest of his accomplishments don't reach par up to notability level, especially post-Bachelor ones. Should be redirected to the season page if not deleted. One or more of the following should apply: WP:BIO1E, WP:BLP1E, WP:PAGEDECIDE, WP:BIODELETE. George Ho (talk) 17:15, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to The_Bachelor_(American_TV_series)_season_1 -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Margaret Pargeter

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Completely unreferenced article about the pseudonym of a writer of romance novels. As always, writers are not "inherently" notable just because their work exists, and have to show evidence of passing WP:GNG on third-party coverage and analysis about their work -- biographical information, reviews of their books by professional literary critics, evidence of noteworthy literary awards, etc. -- but this cites no GNG-worthy sourcing at all, and in fact the closest thing to a "reference" in it (until I stripped it just now) was the self-published directory profile of a non-pseudonymous writer who wasn't claiming herself to be the author of any of these books, and thus appears to have been a "publicize her by piggybacking onto an unrelated article" stunt (or possibly, but not verifiably, insider info) rather than evidence of the notability of "Margaret Pargeter".
Nothing here is "inherently" notable without proper GNG-compliant sourcing for it. Bearcat (talk) 17:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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New Federalism

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This article seems to be almost entirely WP:OR about a term so rarely used that it appears to have meant something different every time it was used, with no discernible concept behind it. Choucas Bleu (T·C) 17:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Samantha Cabiles

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Fails WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kumi James

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Non-binary black filmaker and dj. No indication of significance. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Doing the before couldn't find anything on a BLP. scope_creep^Talk 16:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jarius Page

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Promo article for a BLP. References are profiles, about us pages, blog entries and an interview. No indication of significance. scope_creep^Talk 16:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - In agreement with @Scope creep. This article does not meet the notability requirements. - The9Man ^Talk 17:08, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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VLAB

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Notability concerns. Organization appears to be defunct; the references are either sponsored or trivial mentions. Google search returns dozens of other "virtual lab" or "venture lab" results, but nothing about this one other than its social media. Walsh90210 (talk) 16:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Roche Caiman Power Station

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Fails WP:SIGCOV and notability Thewikizoomer (talk) 16:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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NLC Dolly Gunj Solar Power Plant

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Fails WP:SIGCOV Thewikizoomer (talk) 16:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Majlis Al-Noor

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. References are event listings. scope_creep^Talk 16:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Marius Chelaru (writer)

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No particular indication of notability here. The subject has participated in some random conferences, which hardly makes him encyclopedically notable.

As a side note, someone should look more closely at the article creator and his activity. He seems deeply involved with an obscure movement called Empathism (do check out that article, though fair warning: your eyes may hurt), and has been creating stubs about even more obscure figures associated with this supposed literary current.

Anyway, to return to Chelaru: nothing about his record, and certainly not the mediocre sources, suggests that he should have an article here. Thus, delete. Biruitorul ^Talk 15:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I don't find any coverage for this person. The Romanian wiki article seems to be sources to CV's or biographies on various websites, hardly notable either. Oaktree b (talk) 15:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tagged the "empathism" article for clean-up, it's too wordy and over-quoted for what it's trying to day. Oaktree b (talk) 15:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete it falls dangerously below WP:GNG and all other known notability guidelines. Even his listed works do not mention him and the works do not have tittles, where they were published and their identifiers such as ISBN, ISSN. Piscili (talk) 16:00, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RealDownloader

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Not notable in the slightest. Has had an additional citations tag and a notability tag since 2013. Only sources I found are from Q&A forums and the only sources on the article don't help to establish notability. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{blaze__wolf} 15:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The review is fine, but it's mostly download links that I find. Old software that one one uses anymore, so not likely to find much of anything. Oaktree b (talk) 15:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge with the parent company RealNetworks as one of its products or services. It does not qualify to be a stand alone article. Piscili (talk) 15:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with RealNetworks per above. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Not having enough references to meet the notability. Suggesting to merge with RealNetworks. - The9Man ^Talk 17:13, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deir Alla SC

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A club in the fourth division, which places it in a non-professional league. The article is significantly lacking in secondary sources, aside from those pertaining to statistics and standard coverage. EpicAdventurer (talk) 14:52, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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* Delete for the reasons outlined in the nomination. BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 17:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. To provide some context, I plan on creating articles for Jordanian clubs that have participated in the Jordanian Second Division League, to which Deir Alla have in 2022. I set this as my limit, given that third-tier clubs and above participate in the Jordan FA Cup and there are no actively fourth-tier teams that participate in the national cup, unlike in some other countries. I don't plan on creating articles of teams that have only played in the fourth tier (i.e. the Jordanian Third Division League), as they are not notable enough to be discussed as an article.

As for the lack of "secondary sources", the vast majority of sources from that article comes from news articles that talk about the club. Zalata42 (talk) 16:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Properly referenced to passes in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Smith (underwater search sonar expert

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Declined multiple times and rejected at AFC. This is all adequately covered in Bluebird K7 there is no requirement for a separate article on Smith. Theroadislong (talk) 14:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DDelete: Per above. No need to waste time over this. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 14:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Bluebird K7 forms only a part of Bill Smith's pioneering work using adapted side-scan sonar equipment. Without his experience in this specific art, the site of K7's lake-bed location would not have been found anew. Also, through Bill Smith's own work on the HMHS Britannic search, the then unknown reasons for sinking of this important vessel, now a war grave, was established beyond doubt. You might have been influenced in your judgement by taking sides in what was an ugly editing war surrounding the Bluebird K7 article. So, yes you are right, but only up to a point. Bill Smith's work might have been "covered" but not "adequately covered". I shall continue to respond to any genuine suggestions for improvement to the article. Nigel PG Dale 15:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Nigel PG Dale (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

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Keep. It meets WP:GNG. There are at least three sources in the article including[1][2][3]. Then during a before search I found these sources [4][5]. With these it should scale though WP:GNG. That it was declined and rejected multiple times in the AFC is not a criteria for deletion. AFC is meant to incubate and develop an article to at least minimum acceptable standard. Piscili (talk) 16:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CCP Global

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There is insufficient WP:SIGCOV in WP:SIRS for this subject to pass WP:NORG. The references are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS, WP:PRIMARYSOURCES, or affiliated sources and the same applies for sources found in WP:BEFORE search. As an AtD, I propose a redirect to Central counterparty clearing. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Central counterparty clearing, per nom. I failed to find decent independent WP:RS when I tagged it as needing more sources, and probably should have nominated it then. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tobiáš Diviš

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I cannot find any evidence of notability for this Slovak men's footballer to meet WP:GNG. He only played 48 matches in lower leagues. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The correct facts are 23 matches in Slovakia's highest league and 30 in the second league. Geschichte (talk) 21:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 14:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pinhook, Decatur County, Indiana

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A "nothing there" spot about which I can only find the barest passing reference in one of those old county histories. Mangoe (talk) 11:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~, has no reliable sources. Has no notable features that would make it comply with WP:NGEO. Pygos (talk) 11:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Absolutely zero information found, name just miraculously appears on USGS topo maps in 1958: [6] without any apparent infrastructure. Nothing but a couple rural homes today. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 22:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I can't believe I have to ask this, but, as this place seems to be existent, just very obscure, should this article be kept just for the sake of completeness of Decatur County, Indiana? It's obviously not up to WP:NGEO, but so are many of the other articles in Decatur County, Indiana, like Knarr Corner, Indiana and New Pennington, Indiana. Deleting this would mean that many other articles of similar quality should be deleted. I recognize this situation similar to that discussed in Wikipedia talk:Notability#RfC: Notability and British Rail stations. Is this place notable just for existing? What do you think? Pygos (talk) 11:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Killing of Michael Mohn

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This feels like a violation of WP:NOTNEWS Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 07:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, does not appear to be a notable crime. Coverage appears to be generally local and mostly primary sources. Esolo5002 (talk) 14:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
many wikipedia articles are not "notable", however this is accredited for being well documented, including his motives and disturbing video. 67.108.47.118 (talk) 18:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just a note that a previous article on this subject was deleted at Justin Mohn as an attack page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: not likely meeting criminal notability; I can only find coverage from this past February when he was also facing terrorism charges... Then silence. Strange crime, but the media seems to have moved on. I don't see notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:22, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NinjaOne

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it lacks sufficient independent, secondary sources to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Additionally, the article relies heavily on promotional language and primary sources, which compromises its neutrality and fails to provide verifiable third-party coverage. RodrigoIPacce (talk) 11:22, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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AZA Finance

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it lacks sufficient reliable secondary sources to establish the company's notability under Wikipedia's guidelines. Additionally, the article mostly relies on primary sources, making it difficult to verify its claims and meet Wikipedia's standards for verifiability and neutrality. RodrigoIPacce (talk) 11:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dominance Fighting Championship

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Article based on primary sources. A search of Google news just yields primary sources too. The first event hosted by this company had now occurred with no coverage. Fails WP:CORP. LibStar (talk) 11:15, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thinking Ape Blues

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. toweli (talk) 11:06, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Doppelganger Week

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Fails WP:PERSISTENCE, it looks like it was only the February 2010 event that received any press coverage. I can find a February 2019 video where a morning TV show celebrates a "National Doppelganger Week", but they don't seem to be framing it as part of an internet meme. Belbury (talk) 09:50, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete limited short term coverage, not notable, didn’t continue as a strong meme. Wrong website for this. Absurdum4242 (talk) 19:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vighnesh Pande

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Clearly fails WP:GNG, just some routine coverage. Youknow? (talk) 09:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Some coverage from when he was on TV, but nothing since... I don't think he meets celebrity notability, seems to have faded away. Oaktree b (talk) 15:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Walkom

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No evidence of WP:N. A WP:BEFORE search only returns lists of his articles, and a few critiques by some rabidly pro-Israel website that doesn't seem reliable. BilletsMauves^€500 09:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: Has been a long-time columnist for the Toronto Star, wrote a few encyclopedia articles [7]. Mostly due to the fact that he's cited/quoted in more than a few books [8], implying some notability in his field. Oaktree b (talk) 15:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: And the Washington Post [9], he's also mentioned here by name [10], here [11] and here [12] implying notice in the academic field for his work. Oaktree b (talk) 15:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Woodville North railway station

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Despite the name, this wasn't an actual public train station. From the article: "Due to the line being for industrial purposes, it never really carried actual passenger train services apart from some trains that were scheduled for the workers" although this isn't cited to anything. The existing sources are useless; one is a single word mention that doesn't even support the content it is cited to, and the other is a YouTube video. A basic BEFORE search did not turn up anything promising. At best, this could be redirected to Finsbury railway line. Pygos (talk) 09:22, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: A freight-only station is still a train station. Once notable, always notable. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 10:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge to Woodville North, South Australia#transport, as part of that community's history. Djflem (talk) 11:57, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dayfree Press

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While (some of) the webcomics that were part of Dayfree Press are notable, DP itself doesn't appear to have received significant coverage in reliable sources. There's this article in the The Comics Grid journal, which brings it up on p. 4 and 9 (and which could be considered sigcov, I guess). And there's also a Wired.com blog that says ~80 words about Dayfree Press. But I wasn't able to find more. toweli (talk) 08:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Hi toweli there are also mentions alongside other webcomic collectives in A History of Webcomics (2006) and Webcomics 2.0 (2008) also has a section on webcomics collectives. So combined with the Comics Grid Journal article you found...and possibly others (that don't mention Dayfree Press), my proposed solution as a WP:ATD (if you are interested) would be to create a new "List of webcomic collectives" article (if one doesn't already exist) and redirect Dayfree Press to that one. Happy editing! Cielquiparle (talk) 09:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Assuming there are enough sources, that sounds like a good idea and would allow Wikipedia to cover webcomic collectives which have received some coverage, but not enough for a standalone article. toweli (talk) 09:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ehraz Ahmad

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Repeatedly recreated and already full salted at Ehraz Ahmed, appears to have been created under this title to circumvent the salting. Tagged for G4 for an administrator to check if it was the same as the deleted version, as, despite most sources having a retrieval date of 2024-09-21, they were much older and possibly already in use at the time. Speedy was declined twice by an IP, so here we are again. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 08:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support Should be speedied in case the original author is a sock. I also believe this is a case of undisclosed paid editing: promotional tone, lots of weasel words, as well as a mixture of reliable and unreliable sources. In case this person is actually notable, I suggest TNT-ing. A09|(talk) 09:06, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Still a !delete, appears to be PROMO. Recreation after salting is a bad sign. Oaktree b (talk) 15:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Veterans Benefits Administration regional offices

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Fails WP:NLIST - Wikipedia is not a directory for listing government's regional offices (that's what the Department's website is for - no indication any of these offices are remotely notable. Dan arndt (talk) 08:22, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per NLIST and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Aeroflot Flight 31

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Per WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRIT: A search reveals that there exists no (significant) news coverage of the event, no secondary sources, no in-depth coverage, no continued coverage, no demonstrated lasting effects and no long-term impact on a significant region of the world that would make this event notable enough for a stand-alone article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 07:11, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:N. There are no independent, reliable sources of information about this crash. The ASN source cites airdisaster.ru as its source of information, airdisaster.ru does not cite any sources itself and has been the topic of a past discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_446#airdisaster.ru. Most of the currently uncited material in the article is a close paraphrase of the limited information that appears on airdisaster.ru, and the baaa-acro.com source is a WP:SPS. I've spent some time trying to find even a brief mention of this accident in reliable sources, and have failed. While Wikipedia's notability guideline is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the current state of sourcing in an article, the policy does state that information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article. RecycledPixels (talk) 18:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Merge~~ Redirect to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1950s. Incident is sufficiently covered there. ~~Once suitable sources are found, it can be made a standalone article. See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Soviet aviation task force/Notability.~~Meltdown627 (talk) 16:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1950s per above. BilletsMauves^€500 08:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Davood Noroozi

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No inherent notability, fails WP:GNG, WP:NPOL or WP:ANYBIO. BEFORE was not productive. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I was unable to find anything notable but if someone finds some sources in German or Farsi please ping me. Dr vulpes (Talk) 07:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Smyrna, Decatur County, Indiana

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A 4tgh class post office, not a town. There's almost nothing there, and what little there is was mostly built in the 1950s. Mangoe (talk) 13:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there something wrong with being built in the 1950's? Of the "almost nothing", does that indicate there is actually something there? — Maile (talk) 14:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are two modern houses and one older, with no obvious relationship to each other. Three houses vaguely near each other is not a town, and in any case the name of the spot is much older. Mangoe (talk) 12:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I can't believe I have to ask this, but, as this place seems to be existent, just very obscure, should this article be kept just for the sake of completeness of Decatur County, Indiana? It's obviously not up to WP:NGEO, but so are many of the other articles in Decatur County, Indiana, like Knarr Corner, Indiana and New Pennington, Indiana. Deleting this would mean that many other articles of similar quality should be deleted. I recognize this situation similar to that discussed in Wikipedia talk:Notability#RfC: Notability and British Rail stations. Is this place notable just for existing? What do you think? Pygos (talk) 11:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nyrika Holkar

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A promotional biography of a businesswoman fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. None of the sources constitute WP:SIGCOV. Majorly citations are WP:ADMASQ, and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS. TCBT1CSI (talk) 12:11, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jorge Pan

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There doesn't seem to be significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. toweli (talk) 08:46, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Art of Sound (exhibition)

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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: further expansion of the article and context was needed. AlphaLemur (talk) 01:28, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep after the recent improvements. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tanha Dar Mazrae

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No reliable sources (a.k.a. no wiki links) and no reliable reviews. This may fail Wikipedia:Notability (films). This article about a short film is short because no other sources exist.

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sayeye Penhan. I am also nominating the following related page because it is also is sourced by a similar website (akhbarrasmi, is it notable?):

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I saw this movie in Iranian cinema.

Khosli is attractive and spectacular and this movie has found many fans.

In our opinion, Iranians, this is the best movie in the Middle East, and if there is a little source now, it is because this movie has just been waiting and the article will gradually mature and grow, and I ask you not to show too much sensitivity on this issue and let it remain an article to avoid wiki law. 5.233.227.181 (talk) 17:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article should stay in English Wikipedia 5.233.231.50 (talk) 20:36, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe. Then I suggest to Drafitfy this and you can improve it, please. Some sources exist in the corresponding article in Parsi. And ImDB says it is a short......that is 4 hours ad 10 minutes long..... -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I added my !vote above, as a reply. Hope it's not too confusing. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andhra Pradesh Central Power Distribution Corporation Limited

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Fails WP:NCORP. Single ref is effectively WP:OR. No indication of significance. scope_creep^Talk 06:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Significant organization, state-owned power distributor having vast network and consumer base, has more than one reliable citations now. Thewikizoomer (talk) 18:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We will go through your new references to check them. scope_creep^Talk 19:06, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Andhra Pradesh Power Generation Corporation Limited, presumably into a "regional operations" section. Dan • ✉ 15:45, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with a totally unrelated company? Andhra Pradesh Power Generation Corporation Limited is a power generation company owned by Andhra Pradesh state government, the Andhra Pradesh state government owns lots of companies.

The Power Generation Corporation generates and supplies power to not only this distribution company but it supplies power to whole Power Grid of India. So according to me it doesn't make sense to merge two separate companies just because they sound same or owned by same owner. They are literally DIFFERENT COMPANIES. Thewikizoomer (talk) 04:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It states here: [13]] that the electricity generators were deregulated in 1999. The main monolithic supplier APSEB was split into a grid supplier and the Andhra Pradesh Power Generation Corporation Limited. The regional generator were split off from this organisation into regional supplier. They are all owned by Andhra Pradesh government. Even though they are seperate companies, they can be one article, because all companies are owned by one entity. scope_creep^Talk 16:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
10s of companies are owned by Andhra Pradesh state government, it is still unfair and doesn't make sense to merge, just because they are owned by the same party. Thewikizoomer (talk) 04:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andhra Pradesh Eastern Power Distribution Company Limited

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Fails WP:NCORP. No indication of significance. scope_creep^Talk 06:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Significant organization, state-owned power distributor having vast network and consumer base. Google search reflects a lot of sources showing the kind of significance the org. holds. Thewikizoomer (talk) 18:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Andhra Pradesh Power Generation Corporation Limited, presumably into a "regional operations" section. Dan • ✉ 15:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with a totally unrelated company? Andhra Pradesh Power Generation Corporation Limited is a power generation company owned by Andhra Pradesh state government, the Andhra Pradesh state government owns lots of companies.

The Power Generation Corporation generates and supplies power to not only this distribution company but it supplies power to whole Power Grid of India. So according to me it doesn't make sense to merge two separate companies just because they sound same or owned by same owner. They are literally DIFFERENT COMPANIES. Thewikizoomer (talk) 04:15, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Thewikizoomer: If you don't stop WP:BLUDGEONing every comment that made has been made on this, I will take you to WP:ANI. scope_creep^Talk 16:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This appears like a personal attack, accusing other users of doing something that they are not and within accordance with Wikipedia policies is personal attack. I can take you to WP:ANI and instead of threatening, you can directly take it there. Thewikizoomer (talk) 04:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Scope creep FYI... Thewikizoomer is a politically exposed editor, presumably hired or paid by the current Government of Andhra Pradesh. Their edit history is quite openly visible. It looks like taking the ANI route is the only viable option. Charlie (talk) 17:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It states here: [14] that the electricity generators were deregulated in 1999. The main monolithic supplier APSEB was split into a grid supplier and the Andhra Pradesh Power Generation Corporation Limited. The regional generator were split off from this organisation into regional supplier. They are all owned by Andhra Pradesh government. Even though they are seperate companies, they can be one article, because all companies are owned by one entity. scope_creep^Talk 16:32, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
10s of companies are owned by Andhra Pradesh state government, it is still unfair and doesn't make sense to merge, just because they are owned by the same party. Thewikizoomer (talk) 04:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Similar to another AfD discussion... Independently, this company doesn't qualify for its own Wikipedia page as it doesn't meet the WP:NCORP and WP:ORGCRIT. A merger is also not feasible since it isn't a direct subsidiary of APPGCL. Charlie (talk) 07:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The references cited independently cover the subject (this article), could you elaborate on the unsatisfying criteria as you mentioned so this can be cleared

Refs. covering subject independently:

https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Visakhapatnam/apepdcl-in-visakhapatnam-registers-record-energy-consumption-of-over-92-million-units-on-april-17/article66770369.ece

https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Visakhapatnam/apepdcl-en-route-to-providing-24-hour-three-phase-power-supply-to-117-lakh-rural-households-by-2025/article68233086.ece

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/apepdcl-takes-the-smart-route-to-reduce-evasion-of-bills-by-government-offices/article68513158.ece

https://www.apeasternpower.com/companyInformation

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/southern-states/andhra-pradesh/600-member-apepdcl-team-to-restore-vijayawada-power-1821221

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/current-affairs/apepdcl-bags-two-national-awards-for-power-performance-881729

https://web.archive.org/web/20180310201040/https://www.apeasternpower.com/epdcl/EPDCL_Home.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=EPDCL_Home_portal_page_156_page_157_page_158

https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Visakhapatnam/new-cmd-of-apepdcl-assumes-charge-in-visakhapatnam/article66752592.ece Thewikizoomer (talk) 15:52, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Thewikizoomer I have noticed your actions on the NTPC Power Plant pages I created as per WP:NBUILDING rule. This seems to be driven by a sense of vengeance. Unlike you, I have no personal stake in whether these pages remain, get merged, or are deleted. However, your conduct goes against the core principles of Wikipedia editing. It appears you have been hired or paid by the current Andhra Pradesh government, as you have been consistently trying to delete pages related to the previous administration and updating those pages of those subjects which are managed by the current adminstration. I don't need to deep dive much as you are exposing yourself through your actions. It's time for you to be honest. Charlie (talk) 17:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't respond to personal attacks and this is not a place for that either. Nor do I have any personal stake on what page remains, gets merged, gets deleted, gets featured, gets GA tag, etc. The "driven by sense of vengeance" is a flat statement that came out of clear misunderstanding.

I don't know whether if you are the creator of the any of the articles that I have nominated for merger. I use twinkle tool to notify the user that has created the article of any actions that are taking place. Thewikizoomer (talk) 17:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that I have proposed a lot of mergers in Wikipedia and I am active in doing them. Regarding the NTPC Power Plant articles, I'm following the list of projects mentioned in the NTPC Limited article. Thewikizoomer (talk) 17:44, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chimele Usuwa Abengowe

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Firstly, the content on ref 1 which is a magazine can't be verified by any reliable source same as ref 5. Ref 2 and ref 5 are also the same link on the article current state. The only source here was this which just only talk about his death. Ref 7 which is a YouTube video showcasing a church service cant be use as a source neither any YouTube link can be use as a source. Ref 3 which just only mentioned his name as part of the medical list and not like he was talked about. Subject just totally fails WP:GNG. Gabriel (……?) 01:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Clearly a much respected citizen but WP:NOTMEMORIAL Xxanthippe (talk) 01:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]
thank you for your response. Please note that @Gabriel601 has been trolling my articles and marking them for deletion. There's an established case of "nominations in bad faith here". Cfaso2000 (talk) 05:25, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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welcome again for marking another article of mine for deletion. After the last episode, you should have recused yourself from my articles and leave other editors to go through and arrive at their own conclusions. Cfaso2000 (talk) 05:28, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I can't verify certain details about this person like the date of birth and death. My search for the various information yielded "result not found" and I was wondering about the origin of other information like the award, OFR. After all these, I can say that the article doesn't meet WP:NPROF and WP:SIGCOV. Also, Gabriel's source analysis is thorough and well-documented. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Due to being a recipient of one of Nigeria's highest national awards (WP:ANYBIO The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor) National Honour of Member of the Order of the Niger (OON) by President Olusegun Obasanjo on the 16th November, 2000 - now sourced to Federal Republic of Nigeria Official Gazette. (Msrasnw (talk) 09:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC))[reply]
The link you provided still doesn’t have his name on it that the president honors him with the title of OON. I opened the link used the control+F to find and paste his name still zero not found. Subject still fails WP:GNG. Gabriel (……?) 10:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It has on page 605 as the third entry.... under the heading OFFICER OF THE ORDER OF THE NIGER (OON) Professor C. U. Abengowe ... Abia
  - https://archive.gazettes.africa/archive/ng/2000/ng-government-gazette-dated-2000-10-09-no-69.pdf Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 11:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC))[reply]
    @Msrasnw, winning an award is a WP policy/guide that WP:SIGCOV may exist for an article. Oppositely, there isn't any coverage for this article, hence doesn't meet our general notability guidelines. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:38, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - I think there is significant coverage in Nigerian media for eg in an important newspaper Independent Nigeria ... we have Emejor, Chibuzor (2023) NGO Immortalises Prof Abengowe, Featured News, Independent Sep 4 [15]
    - and Vision Africa (2013) Professor Abengowe Chimele Usuwa: Pragmatic Icon In The Field Of Teaching And Guidance, Profiles, Vision Africa 08/04 [16] And here (https://archive.upf.org/united-nations/international-day-of-peace/2013/5312-conference-in-abuja-on-education-and-national-development) he is giving a keynote at a serious conference. And there is lots more. I think it is shame that too many Wikipedia editors are too willing to delete what are to my mind clearly notable people that can with a little effort be reasonably sourced. (Msrasnw (talk) 16:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC))[reply]
      Vision Africa is a non notable platform. Upf is a non notable platform. There is till nothing notable about this man as per Wikipedia notability. If he was that respected a lot of news papers would have carried his news death. But nothing rather than just one news that’s not even all about his death. Gabriel (……?) 13:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Subject satisfies notability guidelines as have been severally outlined above. Cfaso2000 (talk) 13:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One source ain't enough to justify notability. Other editors needs to be aware ‘Cfaso2000’ was the article creator. Gabriel (……?) 11:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Seems to me he has distinguished service. Notable award too methinks.Unfortunate coverage isn’t wider. 102.91.4.54 (talk) 18:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You should have just created an account to vote a keep. All this keep from newbies are now just suspicious. Gabriel (……?) 18:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Been here for 12 yrs. 102.91.4.54 (talk) 19:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep : Subject meet WP:Notable and there are enough references to back it up Tesleemah Talk 08:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The sources provided are not enough to meet WP:GNG. VisionAfrica seems to be the most in-depth, but I could not verify its reliability - it's not listed on the RS Noticeboard. There's no WP:SIGCOV to justify an article at this time.DesiMoore (talk) 15:52, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Skagit Environmental Endowment Commission

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NCORP for not having significant coverage of independent, reliable sources for verification. Cassiopeia talk 00:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I think with enough digging that sources could be coughed up. I have three sources ([17][18][19]) but they might be WP:PRIMARY or may not do enough coverage of the topic at hand. ✶Qux yz ✶ 00:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it is kept, I might work on improving this article. ✶Qux yz ✶ 00:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the Narwhal reference is excellent! I can't see the text of the Seattle Times one. See also this article in BC Studies. It's hard to imagine that a binational commission with jurisdiction on the environment wouldn't be notable. Nfitz (talk) 19:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rules lawyer

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Simple failure of WP:NOTDICTIONARY as the article only consists of a definition. A potential WP:ATD is merge to Letter and spirit of the law, but that one is more in a legal context than a gaming one, and not exactly well-sourced or stable in itself. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:22, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. come on, this is the stuff we come to Wikipedia for. Suppose it could be merged somewhere; would support that if appropriate placement is identified. Hyperbolick (talk) 06:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:ILIKEIT. While you may enjoy the article, personal preference doesn't factor into AfDs, only evidence that a full article can be created based on the idea of "rules lawyering". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:06, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m satisfied what’s there shows it can. Tell me where you would merge it. Hyperbolick (talk) 07:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Role-playing game terms seems like a better place to merge it than letter and spirit of the law given its predominant use in RPGs. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The article as it is now, although short, already has some content which would not fit into a dictionary. And a WP:BEFORE search shows that various sources dealing with table-top roleplaying games have more to say: On A Roll p. 45, The Civilized Guide to Tabletop Gaming p. 66 and The Postmodern Joy of Role-Playing Games all have about a page of content, including commentary. And the journal Analog Game Studies Vol. IV has a full essay on the topic. How can 6+ pages contain "only a definition"? So it seems to me the nomination is mostly talking about the current status of the article, which is not decisive when deciding about deletion. All that said, the first and primary paragraph could be merged in to Role-playing game terms, and later be spun out again as soon as someone uses the listed sources further. But aside from that fact that I see no advantage in that, it would already be akward to fit in the other contexts where same term may pop up, but more rarely so if the Google Books search is any indication. Daranios (talk) 15:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Analog Game Studies is a good source, the others seem like definitions or brief mentions in the middle of talking about something else. Usually one solid source is still not enough to merit a full page. Therefore I am still not "convinced", though I will admit there is a non zero amount of coverage about the concept of rules lawyering in RPGs. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Zxcvbnm: The first two books (sorry, I had a wrong link there) each have a specific section dedicated to the topic, so brief mentions in the middle of talking about something else is not correct here. The third one does talk about the concept in a larger context, but has significant analysis way beyond a definition (what it means for the game, contrast to other concept,...). So is there material to expand the article beyond the length of a stub? Absolutely! Daranios (talk) 10:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on sources found by Daranios. BOZ (talk) 16:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge that one paragraph into Role-playing game terms. The relevance of the "Related terms" seems very tenuous to me. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 00:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Concur with merge, Related terms would appear to be NOTDICTIONARY. IgelRM (talk) 20:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge main article content into Role-playing game terms, alongside Rule as Intended and Rule as Written which discuss two sides of the same coin. A list is a better place for this, since a standalone article is borderline WP:NOTDICTIONARY.Jtwhetten (talk) 13:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep coverage is sufficient to meet WP:N and we have more than just a dictionary definition. I could see a broader article on this plus related things such as RAW and RAI (as mentioned above). Hobit (talk) 17:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gamesmanship

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Fails WP:NOTDICTIONARY, with the article besides the pure definition of gamesmanship (which, in itself, is partly WP:OR) being an example farm of different sports. Beyond that, it mostly cites the book written by the person who popularized (and possibly invented) the term, a primary source that doesn't contribute to notability. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Competition. Hyperbolick (talk) 06:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article is certainly in rough shape, but it already contains secondary sources establishing notability. For instance, The Timelessness of Steven Potter's "Gamesmanship" discusses the concept and its origins and impact ~~at length~~. That essay also contains pointers to additional potential sources such as this apparently-famous book which applies the concept to the behaviour of corporate executives. Similar sources appear to be plentiful on Google Books and Google Scholar. So this looks to me like WP:SIGCOV. Botterweg14 (talk) 22:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You say it discusses the concept at length, but it appears to be about the book itself. Do you have access to the book to pinpoint where exactly it discusses the concept alone and then demonstrate that evidence? Right now we have no way to know whether you have read the book or if it is simply an assumption. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:15, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good question. My comment above was based on a skim of the essay, and looking back now I do think I overstated things. You're right that the essay is primarily a literary discussion of Potter's book. However in its discussion of the book's legacy and impact it does verify that the concept of gamesmanship has had an enduring life of its own. So in combination with the other sources, I'm still satisfied that this counts as WP:SIGCOV. Botterweg14 (talk) 21:30, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep largely per Botterweg14. This is a reasonably well-sourced article on a notable concept that does not at all read like a dictionary definition. Frank Anchor 12:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dhiraj Sonawane

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Moved to mainspace, perhaps before it is ready. I certainly do not see any pass of WP:NPROF here. The best sources in the article look like human interest coverage of surgeries by the subject, and I think they fall a bit short of WP:BASIC. My search did not find much more. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 05:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy keep. This is a malformed AfD Apparently the page is being targeted for deletion because the page had so many bugs it was straight up targeted for AFD instead of being cleaned and fixed a lot. should consider why the page is being targeted for deletion. which the article subject easily meets, is WP:GNG India Today has significant coverage in reliable sources such as the India Today newspaper also Passes WP:NGEO I don't believe the nominator checked all sources. However, there does appear to be in-depth coverage in sources which I assess as probably reliable, covering multiple events / aspects of this WP:BLP.Monophile 💬 11:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article makes no claim to notability - he runs a department at a hospital, no named chair professorship, nothing showing he's a big player within his discipline. I have reviewed all the citations and see nothing but routine mentions and quotes, other than what looks like a complex spine surgery case (but WP:BLP1E suggests this would need to have lasting impact). GScholar shows some papers with low citation counts (there's a DP Sonawane who has some high-citation counts, but U.S. based and unlikely to be this gentleman).
@Monophile you should spend some time familiarizing yourself with the various notability policies and guidelines especially those for living persons and professors. Had you done this you'd probably agree the deletion rationale is clear. Continuing to create these articles may be a waste of time, both yours and other editors', if the article subjects are unable to meet notability rules. Oblivy (talk) 07:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Now it can be see that both the users, @Oblivy, @Russ Woodroofe are being targeted this page will be created from my account. It can be clearly seen in the previous AFD how they like to target and vote for delete pages.here It is with great regret that I have to say There are Millions of editors and users on Wikipedia, they should get a chance to review the page and see how it is done. The page is targeted without checking the references without checking the page itself These users should be stopped from doing this continuously, this is the urine of Vandalism is being done continuously on Wikipedia etc. of their account edits here, here are checked, they are just constantly targeting this pages. Continuously targeting a page should not be acceptable on Wikipedia. It is a violation of Wikipedia's guidelines. Monophile 💬 01:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Every editor has the right to give his opinion on AFD lmatters, the manner in which two User @Oblivy, @Russ Woodroofe target some Pages is tantamount to disrupting the Wikipedia." Monophile 💬 02:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Page reads as resume and WP:PROMO page. The subject has not made any significant achievement notable, nationally or internationally, to warrant a page on him. Fails WP:NPROF. RangersRus (talk) 11:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Monophile: the image used in the article is a posed photo of Sonawane, which you uploaded to Commons at File:Dhiraj Sonawane.jpg as your own work. What's your connection with Mr. Sonawane please? Wikishovel (talk) 12:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alternate explanation, common for this sort of situation, is that it was stolen from social-media or a similar site. But we do need an immediate and clear explanation from the uploader on commons (need to keep license concerns on that site) or it will be promptly deleted. DMacks (talk) 13:08, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. None of the reliable sources here provide any in-depth information about Sonawane as a person, they are all either about his surgeries or his comments as an expert on medical topics. Had those surgeries been made on high-profile individuals (like federal politicians or other important figures), or even received more in-depth coverage by high-quality reliable sources, I would probably have leaned more to keeping, but the current sources are pretty run-off-the-mill. Badbluebus (talk) 17:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Al Ramli Mall

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Shopping mall in Bahrain fails WP:GNG. GTrang (talk) 04:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep‎. Speedily closed per consensus and nominator's withdrawal. (non-admin closure) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iyana-Iba, Lagos State

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article does not meet WP:GNG and No significance importance aside they are opened by a former president, all references are not significant coverage of the subject Tesleemah (talk) 04:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC) Withdrawn by nominator Following further information and discussion, the article might stand for now with some improvement Tesleemah (talk) 04:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment : This now looks like another frustrated newbie on wikipedia. Like common what do you guys take Wikipedia for? Where you come to create war zone?. People like you have been warned here by @Timtrent:, @Reading Beans: and @Star Mississippi:. You can also listen to the advice of @Liz: at here because your similar behavioural act happened here which I won't be explaining to you further as its a waste of time. You just have to go and read that AFD and understand too well what WP: GEOFEAT says about. You should be busy trying to provide reasonable source to your article De General than making no sense of yourself. "aside they are opened by a former president" You are the one who said that statement. Don't that still sound notable to you as per WP:NGEO. I believe for you to say such you have a source to that. Beside, Iyana-Iba in Lagos State is a populated and legalised area. I hope one day to take a picture of that place soon. Cheers and this is my last statement to you on this AFD. No time for pointless arguments. --Gabriel (……?) 10:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can also visit my user page if you are interested at looking at the beautiful places of pictures I have taken. Cheers. Gabriel (……?) 10:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I saw them. Cheers! Tesleemah (talk) 10:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There wasn’t any reason to ping me though but FWIW, Iyana-Iba (where this should be) passes NPLACE, IMO and this nomination seems to be, yet, another bad faith nomination. Best, reading beans 10:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Reading Beans Should the closer interpret this as an opinion either to keep or as a speedy keep? It would help if you would say explicitly what you summaries your thoughts as. Article title can be handled later. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Timtrent, this is a speedy keep on my end. Sources found in a WPBEFORE attempt satisfies NPLACE. The nominator is not knowledgeable enough on relevant criteria's and seems to be unwilling to learn. Best, reading beans 13:14, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you had mistaken this AfD to be opened by another editor you had issue with previously.

This was in good faith as I even supported your AfD here, I can't find where we had been on logheads over here or anywhere else. So I will imploy you to be calm.

Perhaps the article should be merged with the main subject Lagos as the references were not major cover of the subject, see the following references you added this and this. How is RTEAN and fire outbreak related to the road? Tesleemah (talk) 10:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t care about support on an AfD and I’m just seeing that. You have to say your mind on what is right without doing anything in favor of the nominator. Also your reason for a merge is still pointless. The lekki, Mainland, Ajah and so on that was talked about on the Lagos State article don’t they have an article of their own?. You should just say we should start merging all the Lagos market to Lagos State article because of a pointless reason. Even the Alaba International Market was never mentioned in the Lagos State article despite its a well known popular area. You mentioned a statement above of which I believe they are sources you must have seen to say such, so add them to the article as it’s a part of improvement to the article. this also satisfies. Iyana-iba it’s not just a road. it’s also a market place and the Lagos State University lies in there. Why I’m I even saying this much to a Yoruba lady who is supposed to know this. Go and do your research and have a lovely day. Gabriel (……?) 12:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also talking about being calm, of course I am with my Cannabis looking forward to a better days. Gabriel (……?) 12:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll let the discussion run its course but please bear in mind I don't have any grudges against you Tesleemah (talk) 12:27, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep: This place passes all the relevant criteria for notability for a geographic element. It would save time were the nominator to choose to withdraw, otherwise I suppose we'll have to plough on for a while 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Prometheus Society

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Does not meet WP:GNG. No WP:SUSTAINED WP:INDEPTH WP:DIVERSE coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject Polygnotus (talk) 03:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Prometheus Society has been active for over 40 years. It has had hundreds of members, and its journal, Gift of Fire, has had over 200 issues printed. Every article I know of that discusses high IQ societies more selective than Mensa mentions it. There's no other high IQ society more selective than Mensa which is better known, with the possible exception of Mega. Promking (talk) 06:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Prometheus Society holds a prominent place in the history of high IQ societies. It accepts people who have an IQ at the 4 sigma level, with a minimum IQ of 164. As stated, this is the best known IQ society above the Mensa level. I've been a member for many years. 2604:2D80:A682:5800:E0EE:FD15:96AA:925A (talk) 18:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Check out WP:GNG. Polygnotus (talk) 21:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Laboratory for Energy-Related Health Research Superfund Site

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Fails to establish notability. None of the article's sources appear independent of the subject, and are thus not reliable enough to support a claim of notability. A quick check before the nomination did not turn up any other sources with significant coverage which would help. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Courtesy ping for AfC reviewer Garsh2. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The following articles exist:[20] [21][22]. The first two constitute significant coverage. The third is a passing mention but worth noting nonetheless. Additionally, I would argue some the government sources in the article may be secondary, as well as number 5. Garsh (talk) 21:54, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Garsh2: I saw the California Aggie article in my search but did not mention it here as that publication is a campus newspaper run by students at UC Davis; see their Instagram profile. The Sacramento Bee article looks good, but I'm highly skeptical of the reliability of ToxicSites (citation 5), and I'm not sure if the government sources are independent enough to count towards notability as the site seems to be managed by the US Department of Energy. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 17:33, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Max Trejo

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Played two professional games in MLS Next Pro and now plays for a university. Everything I could find from a Google search was related directly to his career at Ohio State University (almost all of it coming from OSU match reports and write ups). At this point, it looks like this fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 02:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indianola Records

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Fails WP:NCORP, which is the applicable SNG rather than WP:MUSIC, because it's a company. Graywalls (talk) 01:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Metal Storm (webzine)

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OK, this seems to be something of a borderline notability case. I'm nominating this because there may be decent sourcing that exists to establish notability, but also because this could potentially wind up getting deleted in the end. There was no consensus about this article at AfD back in 2008, but many of the "keep" votes from back then could only cite things like Google search results and sponsorships (see WP:INHERITED), when not just resorting to copouts with WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Most of the sources cited are WP:PRIMARY, and I can't find much information about this site via Google outside of unreliable, WP:NOTRSMUSIC databases. I'm not saying this positively needs to go, but if it's going to stay, it needs serious improvements. But for now, I would like to invite other people to comment with what they think. JeffSpaceman (talk) 01:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Real Malabar FC

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Fails the general notability guideline, which is the recommended guideline for teams under the sports sub-guideline. Many of the sources cited in the article are unreliable, and the ones that are don't have significant coverage. Quickly searching for more sources did not turn up anything else. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. Tried searching for SIGCOV in reliable sources in English and Malayalam (റിയൽ മലബാർ എഫ്.സി.), and the best I could come up with was routine coverage in Mathrubhumi [23], [24], and passing mentions in Madhyamam [25], The Hindu [26], the Times of India [27] and Kerala Kaumudi [28],[29], nothing substantial enough for WP:GNG.

This article has a long history of sockpuppetry, as shown in the linked SPI and its archive. It should have been speedy deleted G5, but the latest creator account is stuck in the SPI backlog, so it's not technically eligible. Real Malabar F.C. is EC-protected, but it's been recreated under several spelling variants in draft and main space: this one was originally created as Real Malabar F.C, and moved to main space by a now blocked sock. Wikishovel (talk) 08:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't want to bring up the sockpuppetry allegations until the SPI had gone through, but the page creator WikiSarfu has now been blocked. If this is closed as delete, I would highly recommend the closing administrator match the extended-confirmed creation protection on this title and related titles to discourage further disruption on the subject. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 17:13, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of football clubs in India#Kerala. – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 18:27, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Argentina women's national under-18 softball team

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Subject does not meet the WP:NORG or WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 00:52, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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200 Plus

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Fails WP:GNG. All the sources contain passing mentions rather than WP:SIGCOV. I couldn't find anything online that could be utilised. GMH Melbourne (talk) 00:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I wouldn't be opposed to a draftify as an alternative to deletion. GMH Melbourne (talk) 00:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I wasn't able to find any reliable sources, and aside from the Producey Podcasts source, the only sources on the page that might be argued to count as "reliable" focus entirely on a single incident (and don't really talk about the podcast). I don't think draftifying is a good solution given that there don't appear to be any RS at all. At the very least, it falls under TOOSOON, but it's likely that it will never pass the GNG. Ships & Space_(Edits) 00:57, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Jim Bray

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Fails WP:NACTOR because he’s only appeared in one film. The Film Creator (talk) 22:47, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – not at all relevant or useful, low quality article. Alon9393 (talk) 16:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Unable to find any WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR is not met here either. Let'srun (talk) 14:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not going to !vote, but I must add that I saw the solo film he starred in and it’s gloriously bad, a true bomb that is a cult classic. Bearian (talk) 01:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @Let'srun - A very simple Google search shows multiple scans of articles that were written about him. What kind of search were you doing that missed all of those? See: 1, 2 and 3. KatoKungLee (talk) 14:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: can only fail WP:NACTOR as he played in only one film. But meets the general requirements for notability, see article and sources mentioned during the course of this discussion. Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Grange Road, Adelaide

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Fails WP:GEOROAD. Most of the references are simply maps like https://location.sa.gov.au/ . LibStar (talk) 00:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep article about a major arterial road in western Adelaide. It is also part of a set of Adelaide roads. The article has existed for over six years with no concern. Scott Davis ^Talk

"The article has existed for over six years with no concern" is not an argument for keeping. LibStar (talk) 00:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above. Bduke (talk) 00:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:PERX. LibStar (talk) 00:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 2 sources were added since nomination, however I don't see evidence of third party coverage to meet GNG. LibStar (talk) 00:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep article as per norm Tesleemah (talk) 03:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Enough sources exist to meet GEOROAD. ([30][31][32]) GMH Melbourne (talk) 03:13, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will assume 1 and 3 are indepth as they are behind a paywall. Source 2 above is a 1 line mention of Grange Road. LibStar (talk) 04:06, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'm not seeing anything which could be described as significant coverage on the page and I'm not finding much else which could be considered. JMWt (talk) 17:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yavin

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This article is a non notable fork of Yavin 4 where the Battle of Yavin actually takes place, making it the third article covering basically the same material. Most source talk about Yavin 4 with only trivial mentions for Yavin itself. (Probably because Yavin appears on screen for a few seconds.) Jontesta (talk) 00:08, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Yavin 4, the actual important location in the franchise, and very likely what people are actually looking for if they search for "Yavin". Per WP:NOPAGE, these should really be covered together, and Yavin 4 is the obvious primary topic here - case in point, the vast majority of the content of this article is actually talking about Yavin 4. There are some sourced bits of information here, such as the history of its development in the first part of the "Depiction" section, that are not present in the Yavin 4 article, so a bit of a merge should occur. Rorshacma (talk) 05:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pandoran biosphere

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Fork of Fictional universe of Avatar. We do not need two articles about the same thing. Both are doubtfully notable based on trivial mentions but I believe that Fictional universe of Avatar has more upside as more sources talk generally about the setting of Avatar. Jontesta (talk) 00:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: as per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 02:47, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]